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My (first) E28, 1988 535is 5spd
Well, 20 years in the BMW Car Club, forum member here since "2006", and having owned two E12's, two E34's, one E39, and one E60, I thought maybe it was time to finally buy an E28? I've been lusting after a Zinno 535iS 5spd for quite a while and trolling craigslist sending texts to experts on here asking them for opinions on listings I found for sale. I've also watched as the asking prices went up from the $5k mark I remember as the fairly typical going rate, to today when nice ones are more like $10-20k (and up).
This car showed up on craigslist a while back and got posted up in the non-affiliated for sale thread in Nov. Luckily I had spotted it about 24 hours before that!
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=14 ... 8#p1458345
Here's the original build thread when it showed up here in 2012.
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=101200
Through the tremendous help of Doug Park and Chris Kohler I got the car. The car is 100% rust free and doesn't have a history of getting smacked up, but unfortunately we're not sure of the mileage and ownership history. It seems to be in the 225k range. We set to work on some changes I want to make and some work the car needs including some inop seat functions, inop power windows, and AC that is not hooked up. Also the dash doesn't fit right and there are some oddities with the hvac and instrument console/clusters. Chris Kohler is helping me with all of this.
The car has a lot of nice mods including a b35 swap, euro bumpers, houndstooth interior, Ireland engineering brakes and exhaust, suspension upgrades and H&R springs, euro grilles and lights, and some recent maintenance items. It actually doesn't seem to have been driven much since 2012.
This is how it looked from the craigslist ad
Edit: had some issues with my website and pictures with the domain. You can see the car and read the story on e12m535i.com
This car showed up on craigslist a while back and got posted up in the non-affiliated for sale thread in Nov. Luckily I had spotted it about 24 hours before that!
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=14 ... 8#p1458345
Here's the original build thread when it showed up here in 2012.
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=101200
Through the tremendous help of Doug Park and Chris Kohler I got the car. The car is 100% rust free and doesn't have a history of getting smacked up, but unfortunately we're not sure of the mileage and ownership history. It seems to be in the 225k range. We set to work on some changes I want to make and some work the car needs including some inop seat functions, inop power windows, and AC that is not hooked up. Also the dash doesn't fit right and there are some oddities with the hvac and instrument console/clusters. Chris Kohler is helping me with all of this.
The car has a lot of nice mods including a b35 swap, euro bumpers, houndstooth interior, Ireland engineering brakes and exhaust, suspension upgrades and H&R springs, euro grilles and lights, and some recent maintenance items. It actually doesn't seem to have been driven much since 2012.
This is how it looked from the craigslist ad
Edit: had some issues with my website and pictures with the domain. You can see the car and read the story on e12m535i.com
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Looks real nahs'
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Van Nuystschultz wrote:Looks real nahs'
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Haha so you're the lucky man who bought the iS. Just get rid of those wheels lol
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Some changes are underway and a few accomplished already. Todd had a nice set of BBS RZ's for sale a while back and after some straightening and refinishing, they were mounted on the car and the 17" BBS LM reps were sold.
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=149849
Also will be converting the euro lights to NOS euro with yellow highbeams and NOS yellow fog lenses. These are the actual yellow glass, not yellow stickers.
The houndstooth interior is not to my taste so the entire interior with door panels is for sale if anyone is interested.
I'll be returning it to a black interior but instead of E28 sport seats we're putting in the genuine 80's high end Recaros with the blue buttons on the side bolsters. I love these things. The door panels and rear seats are from a black interior E28 getting parted out but maybe I'll consider having them recovered in the same black leather to match the fronts one day.
I also did an M-tech 1 steering wheel recovered with red stitching to replace the stock wheel, refinished by Chris Scow. http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=2& ... 0&start=25&
Other enhancements are a BenGerman clutch spring (http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=149057&), clutch pedal bracket brace http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=103670&, rear view mirror with map lights, and some other nice-to-have goodies.
Oh yeah, one more thing, one of the most important. An early style BBS front airdam/spoiler which we are on the hunt for!
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=149849
Also will be converting the euro lights to NOS euro with yellow highbeams and NOS yellow fog lenses. These are the actual yellow glass, not yellow stickers.
The houndstooth interior is not to my taste so the entire interior with door panels is for sale if anyone is interested.
I'll be returning it to a black interior but instead of E28 sport seats we're putting in the genuine 80's high end Recaros with the blue buttons on the side bolsters. I love these things. The door panels and rear seats are from a black interior E28 getting parted out but maybe I'll consider having them recovered in the same black leather to match the fronts one day.
I also did an M-tech 1 steering wheel recovered with red stitching to replace the stock wheel, refinished by Chris Scow. http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=2& ... 0&start=25&
Other enhancements are a BenGerman clutch spring (http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=149057&), clutch pedal bracket brace http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=103670&, rear view mirror with map lights, and some other nice-to-have goodies.
Oh yeah, one more thing, one of the most important. An early style BBS front airdam/spoiler which we are on the hunt for!
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Very nice looking car. Congrats!
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WOW That car looks great!
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Great looking car- congrats! And what a testimony to this forum that you have been a member and active participant for 13 years without owning one of these yet. Fanatics like you (with diverse perspective and BMW love) are what make this such a great forum!
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Beautiful example!
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Looks nice. When will this car make it to MSP?
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Thanks everyone. I told Chris to plan for July so that I can schedule a road trip with my son to get it in between his soccer league schedule and my work trips.
We also go to the weathertech IMSA race at Road America every August so I’d like to drive it there this year. The last two years we took the yellow M3. If Ben Thongsai has the E12 M535i done by then, that would be a tough choice for which car to road trip to Elkhart Lake!
We also go to the weathertech IMSA race at Road America every August so I’d like to drive it there this year. The last two years we took the yellow M3. If Ben Thongsai has the E12 M535i done by then, that would be a tough choice for which car to road trip to Elkhart Lake!
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Nice car! I approve of the interior change, those Recaros are great - where did you find them?
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Congrats, beautiful car. I hope to see it in person sometime.
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Holy Cow Dude, what you have there is basically a new car. Beautiful. I dig the interior either way but I actually preferred the other rims. Either way enjoy!
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There’s a guy in Poland that specializes in these 80’s Recaros and he is building me a set. I specified that I want them with the blue buttons on the thigh bolster.
The car definitely has a long punch list of items to fix and Chris is diligently tackling them for me. Spent some time on the phone with him Sunday night to make decisions on a few areas like A/c.
You can probably tell from the pics that the paint is baked from the CA sun so one day I will need to get it painted. But for now I don’t want another project!
The car definitely has a long punch list of items to fix and Chris is diligently tackling them for me. Spent some time on the phone with him Sunday night to make decisions on a few areas like A/c.
You can probably tell from the pics that the paint is baked from the CA sun so one day I will need to get it painted. But for now I don’t want another project!
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There is something to be said for being able to drive and enjoy a car frequently, even if it isn't perfect!
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Definitely, jealous of the seat choice! Recaro C81?
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Things are beginning to happen. Chris has been collecting parts for the suspension, we have an early BBS front airdam which is getting repaired and painted, and the Recaro seats just arrived from Poland that I ordered from a Recaro Max on Facebook. Maybe if Chris has time he can post a few pics from his end of the airdam and paint. He has had a very busy May and early June!
Also the rear sway bar mounts and reinforcements were welded in about a month ago I think. He also did a full fluid service on the car, engine, trans, diff, brakes, etc. Chris has been juggling a lot of work on the car and has been patient as parts packages keep showing up on his doorstep (or at a FedEx location for pickup).
The plan is still to go visit Phoenix in late July and pick up the car to road trip back to Minnesota.
Also the rear sway bar mounts and reinforcements were welded in about a month ago I think. He also did a full fluid service on the car, engine, trans, diff, brakes, etc. Chris has been juggling a lot of work on the car and has been patient as parts packages keep showing up on his doorstep (or at a FedEx location for pickup).
The plan is still to go visit Phoenix in late July and pick up the car to road trip back to Minnesota.
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Chris has been doing a ton of work on the car and correcting a litany of shortcuts earlier in its life. One big area is the front suspension where the h&r springs had a coil cut off. The springs were not anchored in the perch so when the car turned, the jagged edge of the cut spring was digging into the undercoating and metal in the shock tower. Also the front Bilsteins were toast so these were unforeseen expenses and hours that Chris is working very hard on to stay on schedule. There are more things he found in the front end suspension so very happy to have him doing the work the right way.
Racing Dynamics finally got the e28 strut brace shipped today after a nearly 3 month backorder status. I know it's just engine bay jewelry but I like the look!
Maybe Chris can post some pictures of the front end taken apart and the shock tower spring gouges because my sftp capability isn't set up yet on my new phone.
Racing Dynamics finally got the e28 strut brace shipped today after a nearly 3 month backorder status. I know it's just engine bay jewelry but I like the look!
Maybe Chris can post some pictures of the front end taken apart and the shock tower spring gouges because my sftp capability isn't set up yet on my new phone.
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Figure it's about time I make an appearance in here. Adam's been keeping you posted with the various changes that have been happening. I've been incredibly busy from April until about a week ago, but in that time I've been working in what I can. If you follow the link in Adam's original post to the build thread for this car in 2012, you can get a pretty good idea of what was done and a lot was done to this car. It received a B35 swap, a recovered interior, a "crack-free" dashboard, a Euro conversion and a pretty comprehensive suspension redo. It all added up to quite a bit of money and effort in this car. I had seen the car at a couple of events at Coast Motor Werk over the years and in talking to the PO, he hardly drove it, putting around 2,000 miles on it in seven years.
With Doug's help, I picked the car up in CA and drove it back to Phoenix. It did well on the trip. Drove pretty well. There were some issues of course, including the rear sway bar sitting in the trunk, several switches inoperable and an annoying hot start issue which also manifested itself as an annoying cold start issue. Oh, also the handbrake didn't work at all. Keeping the car in gear was the only way to keep it from rolling down Doug's slightly sloped driveway. While I already had a growing list of things that were just obvious, I gave the car a pretty thorough inspection once I returned home and gave a list to Adam of what I felt it needed. We worked out a plan for his vision for the car and I had a pretty decent list of needs that were either putting in that extra 10% that should have been done the first time or things that just weren't done properly. Fortunately, the car itself is a solid base to work from and most of the parts and upgrades add value.
The first thing I was really surprised about was the flex disc being installed backwards. New ones actually come with instructions.
Also, there was a leak from the transmission. The selector shaft seal was the culprit there.
The rear sway bar mounts weren't reinforced when the larger Ireland Engineering bars were installed. Reinforced with akumulus' kit. Unfortunately this has created another issue where the ridiculous IE mounting system won't work, but I think I've got a solution for that using standard front mounts.
Moving to the front end, from the receipts and the build thread, the front end parts were new. Unfortunately, the boots were already trashed on the upper arms, both lower control arm to subframe bolts were loose (not wow it's loose, but not snug). Also, particularly frightening was the bolts used for the steering knuckle. Given these bolts have enough trouble with the forces exerted upon them, I was surprised to find these were regular zinc grade 8.8 bolts instead of the black oxide coated grade 10.9 of the originals. UCAs are Meyle HD, lowers are likely Hamburg Technic or something like that. These have all been replaced with Lemförder parts. E31 8-series LCAs and the UCAs have Moosehead Engineering spherical bearings.
Here are the bolts from the steering knuckle. There was some sort of red thread locker on these but the rattle gun hardly broke a sweat removing these. For giggles, a regular ratchet did the trick on the driver side. If Adam doesn't want them, perhaps they can be adopted out as pets.
Here are the upside down H&R front springs. One full coil has been cut off each side, springs installed upside down and they shredded the spring pads and my favorite part is when the tail of the spring gets jammed between the mount and the body. Steering wheel springs back at you pretty quickly.
You can see in this photo where there is damage to the schutz.
With the strut assemblies removed, you can see what the tail of the spring did. I was pretty amazed. I look at this as having caught it in the nick of time.
Of course, we couldn't leave that alone, so the loose schutz removed, cleaned thoroughly, etch-primed, schutzed and coated with a mixture of 138 that seemed closest to what was used on the undercarriage of the car.
Is it a perfect job? No. My main concern is sealing and protecting the area so no further damage is done but I do think it came out reasonably well.
I procured a proper set of H&R springs of the same vintage (this way I didn't have to change the rears which actually seem fine). Here's a shot showing the cut spring next to an original.
I was pretty surprised to see the rust on these springs and the spring hats were particularly rusty so I ordered some E90 hats as there are concerns about the altitude change with the removed coil replaced and the springs actually sitting on the spring pads. I'd show you how it looks but I had quite the setback when I discovered this:
Likely a nut with the wrong thread pitch was run onto this with an impact. There were two nuts on this side. One held on with red thread locker and the correct nut on top of it. Given the obvious concerns, I ordered two new strut inserts. Then I can put it all back together. There was also only one washer on each side. The cup was missing from the bottom of the bearing. Fortunately, I had most everything needed in a box in my storage unit.
The AC system in this car is inoperable. From the photos in the build thread, it was obvious nothing was ever done with it, the belt wasn't installed and only one line had been rebuilt previously. The hose to the top of the condenser had clearly ruptured and there is a pretty good collection of oil from that. Of course, there was also this:
While that sorta looks like clearance, uhhh, no. Jay Stratton has the compressor, all of the other lines have been rebuilt and I have a new 533i suction line coming from Germany. This is not going back together like this.
On to happier things, the bodywork on the front end of the car is currently apart.
Everything came apart as it should and I was happy to see the pigtails used for the turn signals and some other things I simply was not expecting. Of course, the splices need to be redone and properly protected but that's child's play. The Euro headlights were installed simply by plugging the US connectors into the lamps. The high beam is no issue there but the low beam was plugged directly into the back of the bulb. Fortunately, I've got some connectors and I'll take the time to properly wire the lamps. Fortunately the new lamps have the proper connection pieces currently missing from the other set.
The good news is that the bumpers are assembled properly and it's nice to see the factory Euro frame rail repair pieces used for this conversion.
Everything should go back together like it should once the early valance and BBS airdam are ready to go. The airdam is currently undergoing the necessary repairs before paint. It was a long struggle to find an original BBS airdam and the piece we got needed plenty of work but it will be worth it in the end.
I have a lot of other things on order like the correct elbow from the airbox to the AFM from an '88-89 E24. This stupid blue silicon joiner thing doesn't fit right. Unfortunately, someone cut off the brackets for the bottom of the airbox, so I'll have to get another one to properly install it. The AFM is just sitting on the bracket on the valve cover, missing all of the connection hardware. All of that will be properly installed in due time. A couple of coolant leaks have been solved along with a fun oil leak.
I'll update the thread with further progress. I almost have everything I need to get the interior set and that will be a fun set of updates.
With Doug's help, I picked the car up in CA and drove it back to Phoenix. It did well on the trip. Drove pretty well. There were some issues of course, including the rear sway bar sitting in the trunk, several switches inoperable and an annoying hot start issue which also manifested itself as an annoying cold start issue. Oh, also the handbrake didn't work at all. Keeping the car in gear was the only way to keep it from rolling down Doug's slightly sloped driveway. While I already had a growing list of things that were just obvious, I gave the car a pretty thorough inspection once I returned home and gave a list to Adam of what I felt it needed. We worked out a plan for his vision for the car and I had a pretty decent list of needs that were either putting in that extra 10% that should have been done the first time or things that just weren't done properly. Fortunately, the car itself is a solid base to work from and most of the parts and upgrades add value.
The first thing I was really surprised about was the flex disc being installed backwards. New ones actually come with instructions.
Also, there was a leak from the transmission. The selector shaft seal was the culprit there.
The rear sway bar mounts weren't reinforced when the larger Ireland Engineering bars were installed. Reinforced with akumulus' kit. Unfortunately this has created another issue where the ridiculous IE mounting system won't work, but I think I've got a solution for that using standard front mounts.
Moving to the front end, from the receipts and the build thread, the front end parts were new. Unfortunately, the boots were already trashed on the upper arms, both lower control arm to subframe bolts were loose (not wow it's loose, but not snug). Also, particularly frightening was the bolts used for the steering knuckle. Given these bolts have enough trouble with the forces exerted upon them, I was surprised to find these were regular zinc grade 8.8 bolts instead of the black oxide coated grade 10.9 of the originals. UCAs are Meyle HD, lowers are likely Hamburg Technic or something like that. These have all been replaced with Lemförder parts. E31 8-series LCAs and the UCAs have Moosehead Engineering spherical bearings.
Here are the bolts from the steering knuckle. There was some sort of red thread locker on these but the rattle gun hardly broke a sweat removing these. For giggles, a regular ratchet did the trick on the driver side. If Adam doesn't want them, perhaps they can be adopted out as pets.
Here are the upside down H&R front springs. One full coil has been cut off each side, springs installed upside down and they shredded the spring pads and my favorite part is when the tail of the spring gets jammed between the mount and the body. Steering wheel springs back at you pretty quickly.
You can see in this photo where there is damage to the schutz.
With the strut assemblies removed, you can see what the tail of the spring did. I was pretty amazed. I look at this as having caught it in the nick of time.
Of course, we couldn't leave that alone, so the loose schutz removed, cleaned thoroughly, etch-primed, schutzed and coated with a mixture of 138 that seemed closest to what was used on the undercarriage of the car.
Is it a perfect job? No. My main concern is sealing and protecting the area so no further damage is done but I do think it came out reasonably well.
I procured a proper set of H&R springs of the same vintage (this way I didn't have to change the rears which actually seem fine). Here's a shot showing the cut spring next to an original.
I was pretty surprised to see the rust on these springs and the spring hats were particularly rusty so I ordered some E90 hats as there are concerns about the altitude change with the removed coil replaced and the springs actually sitting on the spring pads. I'd show you how it looks but I had quite the setback when I discovered this:
Likely a nut with the wrong thread pitch was run onto this with an impact. There were two nuts on this side. One held on with red thread locker and the correct nut on top of it. Given the obvious concerns, I ordered two new strut inserts. Then I can put it all back together. There was also only one washer on each side. The cup was missing from the bottom of the bearing. Fortunately, I had most everything needed in a box in my storage unit.
The AC system in this car is inoperable. From the photos in the build thread, it was obvious nothing was ever done with it, the belt wasn't installed and only one line had been rebuilt previously. The hose to the top of the condenser had clearly ruptured and there is a pretty good collection of oil from that. Of course, there was also this:
While that sorta looks like clearance, uhhh, no. Jay Stratton has the compressor, all of the other lines have been rebuilt and I have a new 533i suction line coming from Germany. This is not going back together like this.
On to happier things, the bodywork on the front end of the car is currently apart.
Everything came apart as it should and I was happy to see the pigtails used for the turn signals and some other things I simply was not expecting. Of course, the splices need to be redone and properly protected but that's child's play. The Euro headlights were installed simply by plugging the US connectors into the lamps. The high beam is no issue there but the low beam was plugged directly into the back of the bulb. Fortunately, I've got some connectors and I'll take the time to properly wire the lamps. Fortunately the new lamps have the proper connection pieces currently missing from the other set.
The good news is that the bumpers are assembled properly and it's nice to see the factory Euro frame rail repair pieces used for this conversion.
Everything should go back together like it should once the early valance and BBS airdam are ready to go. The airdam is currently undergoing the necessary repairs before paint. It was a long struggle to find an original BBS airdam and the piece we got needed plenty of work but it will be worth it in the end.
I have a lot of other things on order like the correct elbow from the airbox to the AFM from an '88-89 E24. This stupid blue silicon joiner thing doesn't fit right. Unfortunately, someone cut off the brackets for the bottom of the airbox, so I'll have to get another one to properly install it. The AFM is just sitting on the bracket on the valve cover, missing all of the connection hardware. All of that will be properly installed in due time. A couple of coolant leaks have been solved along with a fun oil leak.
I'll update the thread with further progress. I almost have everything I need to get the interior set and that will be a fun set of updates.
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Adam, congratulations!!! Chris, nice job on correcting all the hack work and turning this in to a nice car!!! Also good job on the rust prevention.
Do it right the first time.
Do it right the first time.
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Oh just wait, there is more discovery of hacks yet to come.
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Great job as expected!
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A few updates. Unfortunately the Phoenix to Minnesota road trip wasn't a possibility because of a pretty long list of items left to do on the car, and some setbacks like with the a/c. I think Chris has really had his hands full preparing for 5erwest and trying to finish my car so it was best to eliminate the stressful deadline of next wednesday the 24th.
So as of now, I'm planning to have the car shipped sometime after the Pebble Beach show because the enclosed car transport companies are swamped now. That way I can drive it some before about Halloween when the MN weather turns really cold.
Chris got the BBS airdam finished and mounted so here are some updated pictures. Besides the a/c Chris has been working hard on the headlight wiper system, and crossing off a lot of other tasks like the hvac controls and gauge cluster, suspension, and items under the hood like the airbox mount.
So as of now, I'm planning to have the car shipped sometime after the Pebble Beach show because the enclosed car transport companies are swamped now. That way I can drive it some before about Halloween when the MN weather turns really cold.
Chris got the BBS airdam finished and mounted so here are some updated pictures. Besides the a/c Chris has been working hard on the headlight wiper system, and crossing off a lot of other tasks like the hvac controls and gauge cluster, suspension, and items under the hood like the airbox mount.
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Looks awesome.
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Lookin' great!
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Great progress. Thank you for sharing- I learn something overtime I read one of these detail heavy threads. Keep posting!
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Unbelievably shoddy work done by the PO. It sucks that y'all had to deal with so much of that on a car that was apparently advertised as being done right.
But it's great to see this coming together. It will be an awesome rig for you Adam! Glad you finally found one.
But it's great to see this coming together. It will be an awesome rig for you Adam! Glad you finally found one.
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I should visit this forum more often. Now I know the story!!! So nice you are getting the car corrected!!!