MARSEL'S BMW M536 TURBO E28

rodpaine · Post by **rodpaine** » Feb 10, 2012 8:11 AM

A good video description of this turbo installation. Not totally finished, but certainly well thought out and carefully implemented.
MARSEL'S BMW M536 TURBO E28 UK
-Rod

Post by **Nebraska_e28** » Feb 10, 2012 8:42 AM

Well thought out & a clean build. Is he on the board? I'm curious of dyno numbers.

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Feb 10, 2012 8:51 AM

Very, very clean install. I LIKE!

Then there is the coolant bottle

Post by **Nebraska_e28** » Feb 10, 2012 9:09 AM

Duke wrote:Very, very clean install. I LIKE!

Then there is the coolant bottle

And that there would be the fly in your buttermilk.

T_C_D · Post by **T_C_D** » Feb 10, 2012 10:17 AM

All that great work and it uses a stock 745i k27. Too bad.

skip535i · Post by **skip535i** » Feb 10, 2012 10:20 AM

I thinkn that's insanely cool. Probably could get more out of it, Todd....but I would venture to guess he likes it just the way it is.

If I go turbo, I'd happily run a set-up with 8-12lbs of boost from a re-built K27. That has been proven as a very street-ready and DD-appropriate set-up. Yeah, you won't be winning many drag races, but you'll get a little extra kick in the pants that isn't neccesarily high maintenance.

turbodan · Post by **turbodan** » Feb 10, 2012 11:02 AM

Why bother with all the fancy work when you're building it around a 30 year old turdblower? For the investment in time and money on everything else it makes no sense to use the 745 system. Its far less efficient, laggier and offers no real room for improvement. Its inferior in every way to anything else out there for these cars.

skip535i · Post by **skip535i** » Feb 10, 2012 11:23 AM

turbodan wrote:Why bother with all the fancy work when you're building it around a 30 year old turdblower? For the investment in time and money on everything else it makes no sense to use the 745 system. Its far less efficient, laggier and offers no real room for improvement. Its inferior in every way to anything else out there for these cars.

Dan,

You know damn well that most people doing the M106 turbo stuff have inherited the gear for cheap/free. The reason they do it is because you can make a bit of power for not a huge investment.

Now if we're talking a spending 10k to give your engine some FI, then yeah, I agree that you should stay away from the M106 stuff. Between 666, TCD, and Miller, there is a ton of high-quality stuff out there....but to play at that level, you gotta pay at that level.

Also, does the guy mention how much $$ he spent? For all we know he's a good fabricator and the build cost him minimal $$ from parts he scrounged together.

T_C_D · Post by **T_C_D** » Feb 10, 2012 11:26 AM

skip535i wrote:
Dan,

You know damn well that most people doing the M106 turbo stuff have inherited the gear for cheap/free. The reason they do it is because you can make a bit of power for not a huge investment.

Now if we're talking a spending 10k to give your engine some FI, then yeah, I agree that you should stay away from the M106 stuff. Between 666, TCD, and Miller, there is a ton of high-quality stuff out there....but to play at that level, you gotta pay at that level.

Also, does the guy mention how much $$ he spent? For all we know he's a good fabricator and the build cost him minimal $$ from parts he scrounged together.

Just as a FYI, Miller gave up on the m30 and no longer offers any hardware. And surely Marcel has huge money in that car. He even mentions spending more than $10,000 on it in his youtube notes.

skip535i · Post by **skip535i** » Feb 10, 2012 11:29 AM

T_C_D wrote:Just as a FYI, Miller gave up on the m30 and no longer offers any hardware. And surely Marcel has huge money in that car. He even mentions spending more than $10,000 on it in his youtube notes.

War Chip and Tuning? MAF conversion? Maybe this stuff isn't directly related to turbo-charging, I get it.

I didn't claim that he didn't spend a lot, simply asked if he volunteered that info. Apparently he did.

T_C_D · Post by **T_C_D** » Feb 10, 2012 11:30 AM

T_C_D wrote:Just as a FYI, Miller gave up on the m30 and no longer offers any hardware.

demetk · Post by **demetk** » Feb 10, 2012 11:49 AM

skip535i wrote:You know damn well that most people doing the M106 turbo stuff have inherited the gear for cheap/free. The reason they do it is because you can make a bit of power for not a huge investment.

About sums it up for me. I've been happy with my 745 for many trouble free years. And I'm going to be happy with the "obsolete" 745 stuff in my e34 for a good long while also. If anyone is throwing this stuff out, let me know.

turbodan · Post by **turbodan** » Feb 10, 2012 12:16 PM

Same amount of work for much less gain. If I'm putting in the work to fabricate parts and modify the chassis to dunk in a turbo system I wouldn't skimp on a few hundred bucks for quality components. You're handicapping yourself from the start.

clongo · Post by **clongo** » Feb 10, 2012 3:31 PM

If i were to go through the trouble he went through to build that setup, it would not have a K27. I give him credit for the work, but i cant understand why he went that route with the turbo.

My car is hitting 17psi with the cold weather. Is it quick, yes... do i plan on keeping the K27 in my car.... Hell no.

scarey013 · Post by **scarey013** » Feb 10, 2012 6:44 PM

Is that what they're supposed to sound like at idle?

Scott C.

marc79euro645 · Post by **marc79euro645** » Feb 10, 2012 7:48 PM

beautiful build!
I'm still wringing good power out of my k27.
I've thought about a turbo upgrade, but then I know I 'll end up having to rebuild drive shaft, rear end, etc..
marc

turbodan · Post by **turbodan** » Feb 10, 2012 8:17 PM

Thats about all they're worth. Not good. Shift at 5k I guess.

marc79euro645 · Post by **marc79euro645** » Feb 11, 2012 9:22 PM

yeah, we suck

T_C_D · Post by **T_C_D** » Feb 11, 2012 10:29 PM

There is certainly a place for the 745i parts in this world. They are fine for a limited budget and good fabricator. 300hp is way better than 180hp!

BATESY · Post by **BATESY** » Feb 12, 2012 12:46 AM

For what I have into mine I still think I got a awesome deal on my m106 swap, I basically got the whole 745i for free with an e30 I bought off my friend. If I was shotting for more then 300hp then I probably wouldnt build it off a k27.

Marcels car is super clean but looking good doesnt always make it go fast, especially with all the UK MOT regulations, crazy strict over there.

Black Steel · Post by **Black Steel** » Feb 12, 2012 11:29 PM

Marsel is friend of mine & I can tell you that no one has a cleaner e28 than his.

6 years nut & bolt resto of the hole car. There is 12 coats of paint on it. It was stripped to a bare shell. Doors off, no headlining, rear axle removed.......A bare shell.

The car has only been finished a few weeks so he is running it in. There are still quite a few jobs to do but Performance BMW Magazine in the UK has deemed it a worthy feature car so will be in the next issue.

Marsel has based his car on Zane's 528i e12 turbo & from that same block Zane got over 723bhp so the bullshit I read above just makes me laugh.

Turboing a right hand drive e28 is the biggest pain in the ass because of the steering box.

Marsel does not bother with forums anymore. Everyone told him it could not be done. He has done it though.....HIMSELF in his garage at home!!

I must say that I have lost all respect for some of the people that have commented above. Your jealous. You could never attain that level of perfection & it hurts you.

As for Mr TCD. I remember emailing you over & over again regarding turbo parts etc. I got sooooooo bored in the end that I stuck a s38b36 in my car.

Build thread is on the m5board.

I suppose my £40000 build will be rubbished also buy people driving around in $50 wrecks! LOL.

Jokers.

turbodan · Post by **turbodan** » Feb 12, 2012 11:41 PM

We are familiar with that build. It did not include a K27, dumbass. Who said anything about blocks anyway?

T_C_D · Post by **T_C_D** » Feb 12, 2012 11:43 PM

Black Steel wrote:
As for Mr TCD. I remember emailing you over & over again regarding turbo parts etc. I got sooooooo bored in the end that I stuck a s38b36 in my car.

.

I don't remember you. Haha. Guess you bored me too?

Post by **mooseheadm5** » Feb 13, 2012 12:13 AM

Black Steel wrote:Marsel has based his car on Zane's 528i e12 turbo

In what way? I see there is a turbo and a polished valve cover and you attest that the block is built, but other than that the execution and parts are vastly different.

Don't get me wrong, it is a very clean build, but I don't see the comparison there.

Also, he should really consider moving his brake booster vacuum nipple.

clongo · Post by **clongo** » Feb 13, 2012 8:45 AM

Black Steel wrote: Marsel has based his car on Zane's 528i e12 turbo & from that same block Zane got over 723bhp so the bullshit I read above just makes me laugh.

We are referring to his turbo choice... Not which block he used. His turbo can't support half the bhp Zane achieved.

Black Steel wrote: Marsel does not bother with forums anymore. Everyone told him it could not be done. He has done it though.....HIMSELF in his garage at home!!

Everyone told him he couldn't do what? Boost a M30? Many of us have boosted our own M30's. His setup appears to be very clean and I give him props for that. However he is not the 1st person in the world to do a full resto on a E28.

Black Steel wrote: I must say that I have lost all respect for some of the people that have commented above. Your jealous. You could never attain that level of perfection & it hurts you.

Again, his car is very nice. As are many others on this board. My car will never be as "nice" as his.... Because I enjoy it as a daily driver.

Black Steel wrote: As for Mr TCD. I remember emailing you over & over again regarding turbo parts etc. I got sooooooo bored in the end that I stuck a s38b36 in my car.

How does one get bored dealing with Todd? He has more info on boosting these cars than anyone I have spoken with. A boosted M30 will walk away from a stock S38 for far less $$$.

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Feb 13, 2012 9:51 AM

Damn Black Steel, you are very touchy.

I figured you have been around long enough to know how to take board comments. Lighten up dude.

Many epic builds have occurred on this board. Just look at my M535i build for instance.

Black Steel wrote:6 years nut & bolt resto of the hole car.

Except for the nasty yellow coolant tank.

Here is what a new coolant tank looks like -

Post by **mooseheadm5** » Feb 13, 2012 10:15 AM

Duke wrote:Except for the nasty yellow coolant tank.

He did say in the video that he wasn't finished and would be replacing that with something else.

Golosok · Post by **Golosok** » Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM

I'm watching this forum for couple of years now and it used to be excellent source of FI knowledge for M30s. But it's painful to see lately how the level of this forum goes down the drain....

This is superb FI project, very well done.

If you cannot do it with K27, it doesn't mean no one can't.

Putting cigarette box size intercooler, 20 years old ecu and shitty tune, blow some gaskets and then declare k27 as a bad turbo, I expect more from people at this forum.

I'm not even talking about language used by some forum members and how they take it to personal level.

Sad to see....

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Feb 13, 2012 10:22 AM

mooseheadm5 wrote:
Duke wrote:Except for the nasty yellow coolant tank.
He did say in the video that he wasn't finished and would be replacing that with something else.

Cool, the car will be perfect then.

Black Steel · Post by **Black Steel** » Feb 13, 2012 11:52 AM

Ok..I have chilled a little but it does wind me up when I read stupid, stupid, stupid comments by people how have NO idea how hard it is to build to this level.

What you fail to realise is that the 745i was never sold in the UK! That means he had to source everything from over seas.

The car is NOT finished. After a 6 year build he wanted to get the car on the road.

The bottom end is all custom. H-pattern con-rods, ARP rod bolts & custom forged pistons. Once properly run in & he is happy he will be changing the turbo.
He is looking at running 2bar & has built everything around it to take that sort of pressure with ease. What you cannot see is the size of his inter-cooler which has been custom made so that it is hidden from view. The inlet & outlet of which run through the holes were the full beams should be but the glass is still there! It looks factory.

My car is based on Lucifer's Hammer but with MORE. By this time next year will be fully finished. Fingers crossed.

Custom made Getrag 280's take time effort money & expert no how to build...as well as a lot off brass in it's construction. 13 months in total!

Custom Billet flywheels with changeable carbon carbon friction surfaces don't grow on trees.

Fit & finish is everything to Marsel & me. I have never seen anybody have a go at Ron P because his cars look too good or question what he has done even though some of the parts aren't correct!

The nit picking is pathetic! & as for M30 verses S38!

There are plenty of videos on YouTube. Do your homework.

One of my friends has managed to get 975bhp & over 1000Ibft from his M30....But it's using quite a few S38 parts

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