MARSEL'S BMW M536 TURBO E28

[Duke]

He is looking at running 2bar & has built everything around it to take that sort of pressure with ease.

Great! He must have redesigned the block too.

Tell him to buy lots of head gaskets. 26 psi and the M30 will not mix well.

Keep the dirty side down.

[turbodan]

Big mouth? Check. Car not even running yet? Check.

Seems like we had a thread just like this not long ago.

[Black Steel]

He is looking at running 2bar & has built everything around it to take that sort of pressure with ease.

Great! He must have redesigned the block too.

Tell him to buy lots of head gaskets. 26 psi and the M30 will not mix well.

Keep the dirty side down.

Arrrrr.....This is were it gets interesting Duke

As your online pop over to the PPF website. Use Google translate & take a look at some of the builds. They got around the block stiffness issue years ago

[Black Steel]

Big mouth? Check. Car not even running yet? Check.

Seems like we had a thread just like this not long ago.

Actually my car is running & road legal...Twat.

[Black Steel]

He is looking at running 2bar & has built everything around it to take that sort of pressure with ease.

Great! He must have redesigned the block too.

Tell him to buy lots of head gaskets. 26 psi and the M30 will not mix well.

Keep the dirty side down.

This is how it's done Duke.

[Duke]

This is how it's done Duke

Very interesting. Any coolant flow modifications?

[clongo]

If you cannot do it with K27, it doesn't mean no one can't.

Putting cigarette box size intercooler, 20 years old ecu and shitty tune, blow some gaskets and then declare k27 as a bad turbo, I expect more from people at this forum.

It has been proven that the K27 cannot sustain much over 300whp. I am running a K27 in my car with all updated components (tial WG, W/A intercooler, water/meth, etc) and im barely at the 300whp mark.

What you fail to realise is that the 745i was never sold in the UK! That means he had to source everything from over seas.

The 745i was never sold in America either.

[Black Steel]

This is how it's done Duke

Very interesting. Any coolant flow modifications?

Electric water pumps, stainless steel water pipes & custom radiators.

The five core radiator I have had built is silly! It hold eight litres more coolant that a standard s38 rad. Even if the twin speed fan fails the temp does not rise above 1pm!

[Ken H.]

My car is based on Lucifer's Hammer but with MORE.

Interesting. A few questions.
1. How were you able to obtain the Lucifer's Hammer build "notebook" with all the particulars?
2. Will you provide the forum with a comprehensive schedule of the parts going into this build? We need to see:
(a) name of component.
(b) manufacturer or source of said component, along with address, phone number, email and web address.
(c) component part number and price.
3. What exactly were the flowbench numbers for the head?
What shop did the testing? Names, addresses, phone numbers, please.
4. Would you be so kind as to provide us a schedule of the various values used in the thermodynamic model used to develop this engine?
5. Whose model was used, and why? There are a number of these in the public domain. If one of these was used, please provide the web address.
6. Would you be so kind as to provide the e28.com forum with
(a) the calibration files for the ECU.
(b) specifics on the cams--durations, lift, overlaps.
(c) the engineering calculations used for the design and fabrication of the exhaust system.
Thank you for showing how such data was obtained. (show your work.)
7. Specifics on the design of the fuel delivery system, including selection of related components.
8. Assuming your build is using Forced induction, could you enlighten us readers as to how you chose the particular turbo configuration--compressor sizing, induction wheel, turbine housing (sizing, exducer wheel, A/R ratio, etc.).

Inquiring minds want to know . . .

[Black Steel]

If you cannot do it with K27, it doesn't mean no one can't.

Putting cigarette box size intercooler, 20 years old ecu and shitty tune, blow some gaskets and then declare k27 as a bad turbo, I expect more from people at this forum.

It has been proven that the K27 cannot sustain much over 300whp. I am running a K27 in my car with all updated components (tial WG, W/A intercooler, water/meth, etc) and im barely at the 300whp mark.

What you fail to realise is that the 745i was never sold in the UK! That means he had to source everything from over seas.

The 745i was never sold in America either.

As I said, once he is happy that everything is ok & any outstanding issues are sorted he will be changing the turbo.

At the moment he is just happy that it's running. The standalone is in place for future tuning.
At the moment Dave has set the rev limit to 4k while it's being run in.

[Black Steel]

My car is based on Lucifer's Hammer but with MORE.

Interesting. A few questions.
1. How were you able to obtain the Lucifer's Hammer build "notebook" with all the particulars?
2. Will you provide the forum with a comprehensive schedule of the parts going into this build? We need to see:
(a) name of component.
(b) manufacturer or source of said component, along with address, phone number, email and web address.
(c) component part number and price.
3. What exactly were the flowbench numbers for the head?
What shop did the testing? Names, addresses, phone numbers, please.
4. Would you be so kind as to provide us a schedule of the various values used in the thermodynamic model used to develop this engine?
5. Whose model was used, and why? There are a number of these in the public domain. If one of these was used, please provide the web address.
6. Would you be so kind as to provide the e28.com forum with
(a) the calibration files for the ECU.
(b) specifics on the cams--durations, lift, overlaps.
(c) the engineering calculations used for the design and fabrication of the exhaust system.
Thank you for showing how such data was obtained. (show your work.)
7. Specifics on the design of the fuel delivery system, including selection of related components.
8. Assuming your build is using Forced induction, could you enlighten us readers as to how you chose the particular turbo configuration--compressor sizing, induction wheel, turbine housing (sizing, exducer wheel, A/R ratio, etc.).

Inquiring minds want to know . . .

So how long do you think it will take me to write out the answers?

With all due respect I shall be keeping my build info to myself until I'm done.

LH build is special. In the 20 years that I have been playing with e28's that's the one that I admire the most.

There are plenty of e28's out there with more power but the principles imployed by LH appeal to me from a TRUE engineering stand point. Also my car is RHD.

I shall not be copying it as such but will be putting my own spin on it. Just as Marsel has done with his Zane inspired build.

As my car stands at the moment even the cruise control works. All the warning lights come on & go out as they should.

Having friends that work for Cosworth & Mclaren also helps

A standard s38b36 head flows enough air for 440bhp. So what does a s38b38 head flow? That has larger valves.

BMW Motorsport sell even bigger valves than that with Motorsport double valve springs that cause no valve float at 9000rpm! in a b36.

The standard s38b36 crank is forged & is safe to 9000rpm!

LH started with the M88. I'm starting with a better base.

Lets just get a few things straight. I'm building it because it's an engineering challenge to myself. I'm not building it to impress anyone. I've already told certain magazines that I'm not interested a feature.

Anybody can buy a car. Only a few can build one PROPERLY.

Getting back to Marsels build. Nothing but respect should be shown for what he has done so far. It's is first build & look at it!

Amazing in my eyes.

[Ken H.]

LH started with the M88. I'm starting with a better base.

Wrong. An S38B35 was used; the head is also an S38B35. B38 coil-over-plug ignition, however.

Still interested in having the questions answered, tho' I can understand your current reticence.

[mpowertech]

Quote:

"The nit picking is pathetic! & as for M30 verses S38!
There are plenty of videos on YouTube. Do your homework."



Don't go away mad, just go away. I'm sure there are those who appreciate your greatness elsewhere.

This forum is a no-nonsense/calling your bullshit/ oldschool site. I agree w/unwarranted bashing, but a sensitivity forum is elsewhere. Put your man card on your chest and post.

[Black Steel]

LH started with the M88. I'm starting with a better base.

Wrong. An S38B35 was used; the head is also an S38B35. B38 coil-over-plug ignition, however.

Still interested in having the questions answered, tho' I can understand your current reticence.

Called an M88 in Europe.

[T_C_D]

Lets just get a few things straight. I'm building it because it's an engineering challenge to myself. I'm not building it to impress anyone.

Congrats. You are this month's world's foremost expert and know it all. You shall go away like all the previous to you. Bye Bye.

Anybody can buy a car. Only a few can build one PROPERLY.

your 40,000 pound budget doesn't hurt.

[Black Steel]

LH started with the M88. I'm starting with a better base.

Wrong. An S38B35 was used; the head is also an S38B35. B38 coil-over-plug ignition, however.

Still interested in having the questions answered, tho' I can understand your current reticence.

Ken...I no LH is your car

[Black Steel]

Lets just get a few things straight. I'm building it because it's an engineering challenge to myself. I'm not building it to impress anyone.

Congrats. You are this month's world's foremost expert and know it all. You shall go away like all the previous to you. Bye Bye.

Anybody can buy a car. Only a few can build one PROPERLY.

your 40,000 pound budget doesn't hurt.

Look. I have nothing against your creations.

As for this month whatever bollox...Get lost. The only person I no that has owned a e28 for longer than me is Randy how bought is M5 brand new from the dealer 24 years ago.

[Black Steel]

Quote:

"The nit picking is pathetic! & as for M30 verses S38!
There are plenty of videos on YouTube. Do your homework."



Don't go away mad, just go away. I'm sure there are those who appreciate your greatness elsewhere.

This forum is a no-nonsense/calling your bullshit/ oldschool site. I agree w/unwarranted bashing, but a sensitivity forum is elsewhere. Put your man card on your chest and post.

Not going anywhere. I enjoy the banter

I'm not great. Unlike you though I have put my money where my mouth is.

I talk from experience, not something I have read on a forum.

Respect is given to those like Ken, Duke, Randy & Ron P. People like you just make me laugh

[Black Steel]

My car is based on Lucifer's Hammer but with MORE.

Interesting. A few questions.
1. How were you able to obtain the Lucifer's Hammer build "notebook" with all the particulars?
2. Will you provide the forum with a comprehensive schedule of the parts going into this build? We need to see:
(a) name of component.
(b) manufacturer or source of said component, along with address, phone number, email and web address.
(c) component part number and price.
3. What exactly were the flowbench numbers for the head?
What shop did the testing? Names, addresses, phone numbers, please.
4. Would you be so kind as to provide us a schedule of the various values used in the thermodynamic model used to develop this engine?
5. Whose model was used, and why? There are a number of these in the public domain. If one of these was used, please provide the web address.
6. Would you be so kind as to provide the e28.com forum with
(a) the calibration files for the ECU.
(b) specifics on the cams--durations, lift, overlaps.
(c) the engineering calculations used for the design and fabrication of the exhaust system.
Thank you for showing how such data was obtained. (show your work.)
7. Specifics on the design of the fuel delivery system, including selection of related components.
8. Assuming your build is using Forced induction, could you enlighten us readers as to how you chose the particular turbo configuration--compressor sizing, induction wheel, turbine housing (sizing, exducer wheel, A/R ratio, etc.).

Inquiring minds want to know . . .

8) It's been a difficult one. The heat is the issue as well a turbo & angle of fitment. As you no most turbos have to be mounted no more than 20 deg from the horizontal.

Comp Turbo do a oil-less turbo. Billet compressor wheels with triplex ceramic ball bearings. They use water to cool the core, (Hence my 5 core ) meaning there are no more worries about the oil feed & drain lines. This means you can mount the turbo at any orientation you like, even vertically!


P.S. I'm sticking with the b36 thermostat housing as it flows more than standard M88/B35 housing. The thermostat is also more accurate as it's wax filled. I no that you can get an earlier opening thermostat for the M88/B35 housing but I wanted more flow for sustained RPM.

[mpowertech]

Quote:

"The nit picking is pathetic! & as for M30 verses S38!
There are plenty of videos on YouTube. Do your homework."



Don't go away mad, just go away. I'm sure there are those who appreciate your greatness elsewhere.

This forum is a no-nonsense/calling your bullshit/ oldschool site. I agree w/unwarranted bashing, but a sensitivity forum is elsewhere. Put your man card on your chest and post.

Not going anywhere. I enjoy the banter

I'm not great. Unlike you though I have put my money where my mouth is.

I talk from experience, not something I have read on a forum.

Respect is given to those like Ken, Duke, Randy & Ron P. People like you just make me laugh

I've owned and e24 for only a few years, and am knee deep in my first turbo build. Please, see for yourself. Disco turbo build (Thats under forced induction- but I'm sure you knew that one )
I was cursed to work w/a complement of British officers a few years back, although they were screaming imbeciles in the Engine room, (worked the most hours, producing the least results-tea time and all ya'll), you sir take the cake. Please don't comment about my background, for you know not. What does 109000 SHP mean to you? Right. Hand me the 60MM Spanner. (ya twat)

[Black Steel]

Quote:

"The nit picking is pathetic! & as for M30 verses S38!
There are plenty of videos on YouTube. Do your homework."



Don't go away mad, just go away. I'm sure there are those who appreciate your greatness elsewhere.

This forum is a no-nonsense/calling your bullshit/ oldschool site. I agree w/unwarranted bashing, but a sensitivity forum is elsewhere. Put your man card on your chest and post.

Not going anywhere. I enjoy the banter

I'm not great. Unlike you though I have put my money where my mouth is.

I talk from experience, not something I have read on a forum.

Respect is given to those like Ken, Duke, Randy & Ron P. People like you just make me laugh

I've owned and e24 for only a few years, and am knee deep in my first turbo build. Please, see for yourself. Disco turbo build (Thats under forced induction- but I'm sure you knew that one )
I was cursed to work w/a complement of British officers a few years back, although they were screaming imbeciles in the Engine room, (worked the most hours, producing the least results-tea time and all ya'll), you sir take the cake. Please don't comment about my background, for you know not. What does 109000 SHP mean to you? Right. Hand me the 60MM Spanner. (ya twat)

If your going to give it you need to learn how to take it!

I'm glad your doing your own build. You should then no how hard it is. You should also no that when someone else is putting there best foot forward you don't stand on it or take the piss!

You might actually lean something

Now go & put the kettle on...That's a good boy

[mpowertech]

Quote:

"The nit picking is pathetic! & as for M30 verses S38!
There are plenty of videos on YouTube. Do your homework."



Don't go away mad, just go away. I'm sure there are those who appreciate your greatness elsewhere.

This forum is a no-nonsense/calling your bullshit/ oldschool site. I agree w/unwarranted bashing, but a sensitivity forum is elsewhere. Put your man card on your chest and post.

Not going anywhere. I enjoy the banter

I'm not great. Unlike you though I have put my money where my mouth is.

I talk from experience, not something I have read on a forum.

Respect is given to those like Ken, Duke, Randy & Ron P. People like you just make me laugh

I've owned an e24 for only a few years, and am knee deep in my first turbo build. Please, see for yourself. Disco turbo build (Thats under forced induction- but I'm sure you knew that one )
I was cursed to work w/a complement of British officers a few years back, although they were screaming imbeciles in the Engine room, (worked the most hours, producing the least results-tea time and all ya'll), you sir take the cake. Please don't comment about my background, for you know not. What does 109000 SHP mean to you? Right. Hand me the 60MM Spanner. (ya twat)

If your going to give it you need to learn how to take it!

I'm glad your doing your own build. You should then no how hard it is. You should also no that when someone else is putting there best foot forward you don't stand on it or take the piss!

You might actually lean something

Now go & put the kettle on...That's a good boy

Its gonna be decaf after this post, But I'm game. And BTW a quick joke

As a third engineer out of the academy I had learned much and knew everything.....

Years in the fleet and experience as a second engineer , made me realise(Limey spelling ), that I had much to learn

Upon advancing to a First Engineer and even more experience I realized I had really only scratched the surface and knew very little.

Finally,now, as a Chief Engineer, I realize I know nothing, but thats ok, I can ask the third...

[mooseheadm5]

LH started with the M88. I'm starting with a better base.

Wrong. An S38B35 was used; the head is also an S38B35. B38 coil-over-plug ignition, however.

Still interested in having the questions answered, tho' I can understand your current reticence.

Called an M88 in Europe.

No, it isn't. BMW made significant enough changes to the M88 to warrant it being given a different designation.

If you aren't doing anything that Ken did for Lucifer's Hammer, then you aren't basing your build on his. You are simply building your own turbo S38 in the same way that your friend's car is not based in any way on Zane's build (I mean, c'mon, it has a different turbo, a different intake, an air to air intercooler vs. a freon cooled air to water unit, and is an E28.)

And FFS, the word is KNOW not NO when you are talking about having knowledge of something.

[Kyle in NO]

I have never seen anybody have a go at Ron P because his cars look too good or question what he has done even though some of the parts aren't correct!

You obviously haven't looked very hard.

Called an M88 in Europe.

No, it is not. An M88 is an M88. An S38 is an S38. Get your facts straight.[/quote]

[Shadow]

wow....