The 535i build thread. m30b34->302ci->m30b35 holley terminator x

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BDKawey
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so right now the only things left to do are
-throttle cable
-coolant lines
-mount/wire radiator fans
-make transmission mount
-measure and get driveshaft made/install
-preload and tighten new suspension


im welding my diff while its out as well. with a one piece driveshaft the diff has to come out in order to put the driveshaft in.

hoping this can get wrapped up in the next 2-3 weeks. ive been pretty slow with this thing. heres a current bay pic though
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Looks nice. I have to update my build thread. Finall have my 78' nova m30 turbo manifold built.
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I remember seeing this thing as SOWO! Whats the chance your going down to european experience this May down in Savanna Ga?
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Bigdoug92 wrote:I remember seeing this thing as SOWO! Whats the chance your going down to european experience this May down in Savanna Ga?
I would say not likely, not a lot of my friends go to shows that far away anymore. Its hard to drive that far by yourself. Plus thats so soon, im sure this thing will need some kinks worked out before its ready to go that far.
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Whats everyones opinion on these? T_C_D's car for reference.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/103993266@N05/48cwWp

Picked up the same bbs ch in 17x8.5 over the weekend for only 640 bucks. Was likely going to run them on the bmw as my everyday wheels.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/103993266@N05/0Yrwpk
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semi large build update here.

upper rad hose with in line filler and 2 12" ebay radiator fan wired to come on with the key on accessories.

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lower radiator hose, with the water pump dumping at an angle to the wrong side it makes it difficult to bring it around and miss the harmonic balancer. picked out two hoses at the parts store and unioned them together.

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heres some photos of the mounts using hockey pucks for semi solid mounts.

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picked up an old school reed manufacturing vice and was able to finally get a crossmember made along with the hydraulic handbrake mounted.
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here you can kinda see how high the transmission really has to sit in order for the starter to clear the idler arm when turning. this has become an issue now because the transmission sits so high that i had to cut out the factory ebrake mount in order to gain some more room in the driveshaft tunnel.

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also picked up these random brand racing seats when i happened to be in Philadelphia and they were for sale. $150

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Finally! I've been waiting for so long. I think those wheels don't look bad at all. They'll fit a drift car perfectly. I love the hydraulic handbrake and the hockey pucks. Best part yet. It looks good! :up: :up:
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EventuallyAyrton wrote:Finally! I've been waiting for so long. I think those wheels don't look bad at all. They'll fit a drift car perfectly. I love the hydraulic handbrake and the hockey pucks. Best part yet. It looks good! :up: :up:
thank you, looking for some cheap local oem wheels for some drift spares, eventually ill get some tires ordered for the CH's and theyll be the regular wheels i run.



diff came out last night to be welded and my driveshaft parts are likely going to get dropped off at the driveshaft shop tomorrow.
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Bored at work, diff is welded, driveshaft is done and im picking it up at the shop later today, brakes are bled with new front calipers and the handbrake installed.

currently working a clutch issue with my hydraulic throwout bearing not moving far enough to push the pressure plate enough to disengage the clutch. i wont be installing my driveshaft or diff until this is sorted.

hoping it just needs bled some more, ive heard these can be a real pita to bleed. i have the required master cylinder bore but dont know that required stroke or what stroke the stock mc even has.
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maybe someone can help me out, for the life of me i cannot get the clutch to disengage and its really holding back the project. The throwout bearing requires a 3/4 MC which we all have. i have it bled seemingly all the way and it still wont disengage. i shimmed the throwout bearing even closer to the fingers and still not enough.

the pedal returns all but maybe like a quarter to a half inch which shouldnt happen right? if its bled right everything thats forced out by the master should be there to force it all the way back? or is it because at that point its off the pressure plate and theres nothing to help send it back?
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post update of ranting and me getting shit on.

So i was completely unaware that when a car is still in the air (drive wheels off the ground) that the wheels (or in my case the output shaft on the tranny since my driveshaft isnt in) will still spin since the clutch still makes slight contact with the flywheel. so this whole time ive been looking at my output shaft expecting it to not be spinning. so this whole time my clutch may have been working just fine.

well i pull my tranny out to investigate something and i discover my bearing retainer had completely broken off from the base where it mounts to the transmission, email jegs and they send me a new one. i then discovered that i never put the old tapered roller bearing cup into the new bearing retainer. get my new retainer and i go to shim/preload the bearing and i realize it doesnt even fit... wtf

turns out i have a "world class" t5 transmission.. which i didnt order my hydraulic throwout bearing setup for so the retainer is different. I can however machine a stock world class retainer to have the proper diameter to slide my throwout bearing on.

while checking what kind of transmission i actually have I also discover that is a t5 from a 4 cylinder thunderbird... which i didnt know when i bought and installed my clutch. so my pilot bearing is .078" bigger than my input shaft which is a no go.

so now i might have to pull the motor to put a 85 ranger diesel pilot bearing. im going to napa tomorrow to see if we can find some kind of shim that can make up the difference. im having such good luck :brickwall:
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thats so frustrating. i hope it all gets sorted out man, i cant wait to see this thing in action.
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Germz wrote:thats so frustrating. i hope it all gets sorted out man, i cant wait to see this thing in action.
I'm thinking i might be able to get my bellhousing off by loosening the motor mounts and tipping the motor back. currently one of the bell housing bolts is nearly jammed against the firewall because its so far back. im gonna give it a shot tonight.
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Updates! i dont always have the biggest most detailed updates but im just more in the garage than i am on the desktop.

dont know if anyone here is a skateboarder but I invested a good deal of time away from the car to help a friend build this epic barn mini ramp
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got the transmission bearnig retainer machined to the proper 1.37" diameter. which is required for using the jegs hydraulic throwout bearing on a world class transmission
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all back together with the tranny bearing preloaded with no shaft play :cool:
peep the homemade gold stud that keep the throwout bearing from spinning haha
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got the transmission, driveshaft and diff in
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tomorrow im changing the centerlink, add coolant, and head over to a friends pit to preload the suspension as soon as i can.
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little update, drove the car the other day but it has since started running like poop. i suspect its fouled plugs from imperfect timing, it randomly misses.
painted my intake and throttle body
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moved the battery to the trunk, this was when it started running badly. already checked and cleaned all my grounds and contacts, so that shouldnt be the issue.
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and my trunk mounted bottle opener :laugh:
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figured out why this thing runs like a massive turd after doing a compression test. indicated a bad head gasket

started tear down
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will be using this time to upgrade to better heads and intake, likely just sticking with gt40 heads and intake that came in some cobras and the 5.0 from the explorer. heads and intake should net me about 60hp or so
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Good stuff.
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Very nice! Considering this swap for my td...like the compactness/weight of the 302 & t5 combo, and hard to ignore all the running sn95 5.0's out there being sold for next to nothing due to smog issues or torn convertible tops. Biggest obstacle thus far been starter clearance to suspension? Other than that and driver side exhaust routing, any other issues you've come across? Sure wish someone made e28/302/t5 mounts like classicdaily makes LS/t56 mounts. Would make the decision a lot easier...

From what I've read, the later explorers have the most desirable gt40p heads (better than gt40, though still iron), but they come with a weak ass cam. My understanding is those heads & intake with a better cam should yield close to 300 crank hp. Add an intake & tune (and headers if u can fit 'em), you should get closer to 350 hp.

What year/model Ford is your 302 out of?
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Raj wrote:Very nice! Considering this swap for my td...like the compactness/weight of the 302 & t5 combo, and hard to ignore all the running sn95 5.0's out there being sold for next to nothing due to smog issues or torn convertible tops. Biggest obstacle thus far been starter clearance to suspension? Other than that and driver side exhaust routing, any other issues you've come across? Sure wish someone made e28/302/t5 mounts like classicdaily makes LS/t56 mounts. Would make the decision a lot easier...

From what I've read, the later explorers have the most desirable gt40p heads (better than gt40, though still iron), but they come with a weak ass cam. My understanding is those heads & intake with a better cam should yield close to 300 crank hp. Add an intake & tune (and headers if u can fit 'em), you should get closer to 350 hp.

What year/model Ford is your 302 out of?
this 5.0 is from an 89 mustang. you just made me realize i never posted what ill be doing for exhaust temporarily. ill get a photo up later.

and yeah, in order to clear the subframe and suspension you have to beat the firewall in a bit. but the transmission also sits really high. i had to cut out the shifter hole larger in order to fit it with how high the motor needs to be. idk if you could even get it to fit with the interior console piece. but stolenfox did it so it must be able to some how. also for the angle of the driveshaft i wasn't able to have the factory cable ebrake mount because it sits so low in the driveshaft tunnel. in my opinion, the 5.0 doesn't fit in an e28 chassis very well, much easier to fit it in an e30. but they mod the oil pan which with a custom one for an e28 it could make this swap fit tenfold better. just need it a little lower in the bay. but for me and stolenfox the 289 pan and a front sump pickup tube was enough to get the job done.

and yes to gt40p heads being slightly better than the regular gt40 heads, and they're easier to find. but the big difference for me is the angle of the spark plug as it screws into the block.it makes it hard to fit some headers, this may or may not be a problem with me running reverse mounted headers. not a ton of people do that so i cant confirm if they will even work for me or not so id prefer to just stick with what i know works, gt40.
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Thanks for the info. Ever look into aftermarket front sump pans?
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Raj wrote:Thanks for the info. Ever look into aftermarket front sump pans?
no i havent. with already having my mounts built its a little late for that. but i probably should have exhausted that option a little. i have a moroso pan for a 289. dont know if its the exact same as a factory replacement or not.
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Cant seem to catch a break with this thing.

picked up some gt40p heads for 240 bucks and a full gt40 upper intake with fuel rail, injectors, and throttle body for only 50 bucks. swapped out the stock gt40 springs for a set of trick flow springs.

yesterday i went to chase all the head bolt threads on the block and I discover I have 2 broken bolts stuck in the block. this should be a good time. already looking at potentially having to pick up a new block.

the 2 bolts arent sticking out at all, I tried an easy out but fuckedc up and didnt get it very centered. I have a friend that has had some luck getting broken bolts out of blocks so hopefully he can get it.
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Im pretty much talking to myself but ill continue to update, got a new motor. working on selling some stuff off it. i have a time lapse posted on my isntagram of me tearing the motor partially apart, turn out pretty cool. ill probably get it posted on youtube soon and link it. if you wanna see it though for now you can find it on my instagram @aaron_wey
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got the explorer gt40 heads with trick flow springs on. mated with arp bolts. timing cover and water pump are on. i have a brand new oil pump to go with it as well. once i find the room ill pull the old block out of the chassis and i can get the oil pan and front sump pickup tube off of it. then once i get my better flowing intake all painted up i can finish asemblying the top end and get the new motor in. hopefully smooth sailing.
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It's great to see progress without problems. Keep on it brotha, spring is around the corner :cool:
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:up:
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keep it up boss... been following since i saw this thing at sowo. miss that show.. eurox isnt the same lol :D
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Bigdoug92 wrote:keep it up boss... been following since i saw this thing at sowo. miss that show.. eurox isnt the same lol :D
Thats awesome, glad you're enjoying it. and yeah i havent gone to a eurox and doubt i will. thats a long drive for potential disappointment plus its just not the same.
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This is my old car!

I bought it for myself in high school and the drove it all through college. It made the round trip from Cleveland to South Florida a number of times.

I talked with the guy who bought it from me a year after he bought it and I heard about the strut tower but he had no contact info for you. I've been wondering if it was still on the road. I literally have dreams of this car.
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BDKawey wrote:Im pretty much talking to myself but ill continue to update
I read all the updates, just never say much. Keep it up!
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BDKawey wrote:Im pretty much talking to myself ...
Glad someone else is feeling that way. :) Been following your progress all the way through and I'm sure others have also. Keep up the good work.
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