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Pros / Cons of twinscroll & divided flange

Posted: Apr 10, 2013 12:33 PM
by Nebraska_e28
I've been doing some light reading online & thought to look here for some additional insight. From what I understand, using a twinscroll gives a wider range of power. Particularly at low rpm. Does this remove some ability to make boost at higher rpm since it essentially moves the exhaust pulses that would be otherwise used at this higher rpm?

Teach me.

Posted: Apr 10, 2013 5:07 PM
by Shadow
It's better in every way.

Posted: Apr 10, 2013 10:09 PM
by GI jonas
What he said. I refuse to believe my holset would spool as soon as it does if i did not utilize the twin scroll feature. Top end is not compromised, not sure why you get that idea.

Posted: Apr 11, 2013 11:02 PM
by Nebraska_e28
GI jonas wrote: Top end is not compromised, not sure why you get that idea.
Honestly, I know nothing when it comes to twin scroll. Just looking to learn a little something. :D

Posted: Apr 12, 2013 11:35 AM
by Brad D.
One of the biggest benefits is not spool, but to prevent manifold crosstalk between cylinders with adjacent valve openings. This is why on a 4 cylinder 1 and 4 and 2 and 3 are paired. Reversion causes trapped residuals in the cylinders which cause other issues with combustion stability and phasing. It can also lower the knock threshold. The increased spool is a bonus.

Posted: Apr 13, 2013 8:15 PM
by DangerWillRbnsn
Brad D. wrote:One of the biggest benefits is not spool, but to prevent manifold crosstalk between cylinders with adjacent valve openings. This is why on a 4 cylinder 1 and 4 and 2 and 3 are paired. Reversion causes trapped residuals in the cylinders which cause other issues with combustion stability and phasing. It can also lower the knock threshold. The increased spool is a bonus.
Cool bit of info there, Brad. Even I did not know that...

Posted: Apr 13, 2013 10:15 PM
by Good & Tight
With a twinscroll you can run a larger turbo without the penalty of lag. My BWSX300 is a much larger turbo and spools faster than the smaller HX40 I was running.

Posted: Apr 21, 2013 11:34 AM
by Nebraska_e28
How come twinscroll aren't more popular if they are all that? Cost?

Posted: Apr 21, 2013 1:55 PM
by Shadow
Yes basically.

It's easier to make 1 big open 6 branch collector
then a nice split, and figure out how to do the wastegate.

You have to make 4 collectors for a split.
then you have to make something like this for the wg.
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Posted: Jun 01, 2013 3:07 PM
by Nebraska_e28
Shadow wrote:Yes basically.

It's easier to make 1 big open 6 branch collector
then a nice split, and figure out how to do the wastegate.

You have to make 4 collectors for a split.
then you have to make something like this for the wg.
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Thanks for the pic. Good info to marinate on.

Posted: Jun 02, 2013 8:31 PM
by Murfinator
Another option is to run two wastegates: one for cylinders 1-2-3 and the second for 4-5-6. Plumb the wastegates into each merge. Note the pulses remain isolated all the way to the turbine. Packaging isn't overly difficult.

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