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Product Review: HDi Super Boost Controller Type D

Posted: Jun 13, 2008 12:57 PM
by Brad D.
Product: HDi Super Boost Controller Type D (SE)

Product Info: Here
Price paid: $139.00

Installed on: 1987 BMW 535is with custom turbo kit

Purchased from: Ebay seller - d2power

I had been using a ball and spring style boost controller in my turbo 5 series. I generally found it to be a royal PITA to dial in my boost and if I wanted to change it, it required me to count turns and hope that I got it close. It just wasn’t working for me. In my 240sx I am using a Greddy ProfecB, which in my opinion, is one of the best boost controllers ever made. I wanted something that worked as well, but didn’t want to drop over $200 on a used unit. After searching I came across an electronic boost controller by Hybrid Power which seemed to fit the bill. It has a low and high boost setting with a selector switch and simple knobs to dial in the gain for each channel. Simple, extend the knob, turn it until your boost is where you want it and push the knob back in. It also has a feature that if one wire is grounded through a switch, it will increase that boost setting by ~10%. Pretty neat feature.

Initial impressions:

The product arrived in nice packaging and upon opening it; I was highly impressed with the quality. The unit feels very well built and the solenoid is a nice, made in the USA, MAC unit. The selection of fittings and silicone hose was also very nice. Overall, it seems extremely nice for the price. Installation was very easy as a quality wiring harness with nice connections is included. It included harnesses for both power and the solenoid.

On the road:

With the unit installed it was time to take the car out for a spin and see how well it holds boost as well as determine any improvement in spoolup. My wastegate is set at 5psi, and I wanted to set it to 8psi. I found an open stretch of road, and in third gear began to turn the boost adjustment dial until I reached my target of 8psi. It builds boost about 200rpm sooner than only the wastegate (plus is a higher boost setting) and it holds rock solid all the way to the 6800rpm fuel cut. I have not yet set up a high boost setting as my fuel maps are still untuned above 8psi, but I anticipate setting it at 12psi.

Conclusion:

The HDi Super Boost Controller Type D is a great product and I find it amazing that it sells for as cheaply as it does. I realize that it is made in China, but it is high quality and works remarkably well. It is easy to use and gives the desired results. If anyone is looking for a quality electronic boost controller that is almost cheaper than some of the fancier two stage manual controllers out there, then this unit would be perfect.

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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 3:54 PM
by M. Holtmeier
This is exactly what I'm looking to install on my 745. Thanks a bunch for the write up!

Posted: Jun 13, 2008 5:48 PM
by babisbabou
Nice write up,nice bc over there mate! ;)

Posted: Jun 13, 2008 7:44 PM
by Duke
FINALLY...a great contribution to the FI board.

Thanks!

I will go turn some screws on my carburetor now ;)

Posted: Jun 14, 2008 3:15 AM
by babisbabou
Duke wrote:FINALLY...a great contribution to the FI board.
FI=?

Posted: Jun 14, 2008 3:59 AM
by George
forced induction...

Posted: Jun 15, 2008 2:53 PM
by russc
Great, thats a very nice unit, but why are you not using the control function in MSII?? It "in theory" gives boost control through knock sense and boost control!

RussC

Posted: Jun 15, 2008 3:24 PM
by Brad D.
russc wrote:Great, thats a very nice unit, but why are you not using the control function in MSII?? It "in theory" gives boost control through knock sense and boost control!

RussC
Russ, I was waiting for someone to ask about me not using the MS boost control. I had been using a MBC to set the boost and then tune my maps. I didn't like the idea of trying to dial in my boost duty table while also trying to tune the fuel maps. Could I have done it, yes, but didn't feel like taking the MS back out of the car and implementing it. It has been running so well that I didn't really feel like messing with it. I guess it was just me being lazy. Plus, I like the fact that I can change the boost on the fly or select between a high and low setting without having to have the laptop in the car. I hadn't read that people were using the knock sensor input to control boost on MS a la Saab APC. That is an interesting concept if that is what is being done.

Posted: Feb 17, 2012 4:49 AM
by Shadow
Hey Brad.

My wastegate spring is 20psi but it slowly goes down to 17psi.
Could this be used to keep me at 20psi all the way to redline?

See what I mean?
I'm not sure if these are "spikes" but maybe the controller will keep it at those spikes.
Thanks.

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Posted: Feb 17, 2012 7:50 AM
by mooseheadm5
Are you sure it isn't just your turbo unable to make that pressure at those flow rates?

Posted: Feb 17, 2012 9:35 AM
by Lurker27
Boost duty tables are fucking retarded. Closed loop boost control is easy and has been fixed in the MS code for years. Everyone except people on BMW forums seems to know this.

Posted: Feb 17, 2012 11:01 AM
by mpowertech
Lurker27 wrote:Boost duty tables are fucking retarded. Closed loop boost control is easy and has been fixed in the MS code for years. Everyone except people on BMW forums seems to know this.
Thats amazing then, that YOU know this...!!! Being that this is a BMW forum, and you are on it. So cool. Douche

Posted: Feb 17, 2012 11:51 AM
by Lurker27
My point is that because a few outdated write ups on BMW forums deride the functionality of closed loop boost control in megasquirt, the general feeling regarding it seems to be negative. Despite this, information regarding it on NON BMW forums is plentiful. Certainly it's nice to see a review on an easy standalone unit for those that don't want to solder up another FET, but make no mistake - closed loop megasquirt is by far the best possible setup (tying to TPS/RPM targets, MS3 boost by speed/gear support, future traction control by boost support, switchable tables, etc)

Posted: Feb 17, 2012 12:58 PM
by mpowertech
Lurker27 wrote:My point is that because a few outdated write ups on BMW forums deride the functionality of closed loop boost control in megasquirt, the general feeling regarding it seems to be negative. Despite this, information regarding it on NON BMW forums is plentiful. Certainly it's nice to see a review on an easy standalone unit for those that don't want to solder up another FET, but make no mistake - closed loop megasquirt is by far the best possible setup (tying to TPS/RPM targets, MS3 boost by speed/gear support, future traction control by boost support, switchable tables, etc)
Now that was helpful. I'm glad you responded. My setup is limited to the TCD chip for now because financially MS wasn't an option, and lets be honest, you need to know what the hell you're doing to turnkey a home brew MS. I'm that guy, and I have a lot of reading still to do before I take the plunge. But at this point the explanation was helpful, now about that boost controller...

Posted: Feb 17, 2012 1:52 PM
by Shadow
Do you have any links to these people using the MS boost controller? $7 for the circuit and $40 the solenoid look cheap enough to just try.

Posted: Feb 17, 2012 2:06 PM
by Lurker27
Honestly the DIYautotune resource is the best for the simple stuff - the wiring is the same as boost targets:

http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms3/Boost_Control.html

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/ebc- ... p-285.html

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/pcbv ... 03c1b38c20

Anyway, the crucial insight most people seem to lack is that it's impossible to tune if your P parameter is too high. IIRC my settings are something like 70-15-15 PID and it spools very fast and holds a target well. I'm using a 6lb WG spring and controlling out to 12psi right now, 15-18psi as soon as my head is back on.

You can read through the struggles and successes of some miata guys here, it's helpful if you ever want to take the plunge. http://www.miataturbo.net/showthread.ph ... 12&page=11

Posted: Feb 18, 2012 7:27 PM
by thrty8street
Great review. Got any pics of it installed (interior)?

Posted: Feb 18, 2012 11:06 PM
by FirstFives Dictator
Shadow wrote:Do you have any links to these people using the MS boost controller? $7 for the circuit and $40 the solenoid look cheap enough to just try.
I used it in this installation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zQEiRLwIE

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You can watch the boost gauge. Of course great spooling TCD turbo really helps.

Posted: Feb 19, 2012 11:04 AM
by Jeremy
Lurker-

Before you run around frothing at the mouth and accusing this forum of unpleasant things, please note the date on the original post, which Shadow resurrected from the archives.

I can vouch for the fact that closed loop boost control on Megasquirt does in fact work quite well once it's tuned. Don't use anybody else's PID numbers unless you can confirm that they have the exact same solenoid wired the exact same way. It took us a bit of time/experimentation to get the PID settings decent on the car I helped set this up on, but it's not difficult. If you do an internet search on the subject, you'll find methods for getting it right.