E30 M30T Build

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » Apr 15, 2011 11:33 PM

Thanks goodntight!

H1C Turbo
Precision 39mm wastegate

E30 engine bay
733i engine and transmission
Engine management from 2002 VW Golf

Other goodies to come!

I'm shooting for around 300-350whp all stock long block on pump gas

Post by **mooseheadm5** » Apr 15, 2011 11:55 PM

You had me until VW.

SheerHippo · Post by **SheerHippo** » Apr 16, 2011 1:44 AM

More on the engine management setup, please?

AlpinaE24 · Post by **AlpinaE24** » Apr 16, 2011 11:28 AM

How about a later bosch 413 system off a NVM50? I've thought about the possibility of doing that with a nice blow through and a TRM tune...

Cactus · Post by **Cactus** » Apr 16, 2011 3:53 PM

240sxpooter wrote: E30 engine bay
733i engine and transmission
Engine management from 2002 VW Golf

Other goodies to come!

I'd swap to an E23, E24, E28, or E32 engine bay. You'll have a lot more room to work.

How is that ECU going to work out? I'm legitemately curious.

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » Apr 16, 2011 3:59 PM

SheerHippo wrote:More on the engine management setup, please?

I had a couple of choices for engine management

Autronic SMC
Megasquirt 1 V3.0
EMS from 2002 VR6 golf= Motronic ME7.1

Ive had great luck with the Autronics, not so great with ms1's and have had good results with turbo VW's. The VW (ME7) ecu uses a 60-2 crank trigger so i thought it wouldn't be to hard to make it work with my engine. I used a newer M30 crank pulley and made a custom sensor mount.
There are a lot of reason that i chose to use this ecu instead of stand alone but the major reason is that my new job consists of tuning these types of ecus (Motronic's).

Here are some of the features of the ME7 ECU:
Closed loop wideband control
Advanced knock sensor tuning capabilities
Waste spark ignition
Gas pedal to throttle angle programming
(BTW ive also converted my e30 to drive by wire)
I'm in the middle of reprogramming a over boost throttle cut
OBD2 port for codes and data logging
Adaptive fueling at start up

Also is something different. I can always change the EMS down the road.

Heres a video from a couple of months ago when i first go it running
http://s509.photobucket.com/albums/s337 ... t=ME30.mp4

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » Apr 16, 2011 4:02 PM

Cactus wrote:
240sxpooter wrote: E30 engine bay
733i engine and transmission
Engine management from 2002 VW Golf

Other goodies to come!
I'd swap to an E23, E24, E28, or E32 engine bay. You'll have a lot more room to work.

I was giving a picture description :P

BadM535i · Post by **BadM535i** » Apr 17, 2011 2:41 AM

Beautiful manifold you got there. Did you custom build it?

Post by **mooseheadm5** » Apr 17, 2011 2:58 AM

Goodntight made it.

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » Apr 17, 2011 8:52 PM

mooseheadm5 wrote:Goodntight made it.

86GT635 · Post by **86GT635** » Apr 18, 2011 11:39 AM

This looks familiar.What's your 20?

justin517 · Post by **justin517** » Apr 18, 2011 2:19 PM

I am very interested in the use of the VW ECU, there are some really good off the shelf tunes for the VR6.

I know it doesn't really matter because you can just switch things around or change them in the tune, but the VR is technically a V6, so that'll be a little different.

are you just going to try a 12v 2.8/2.9L or stroker tune for boost?

I'm sort of liking this idea, ECU's and Harnesses to hack up can be had for very cheap money.

Post by **mooseheadm5** » Apr 18, 2011 2:23 PM

You may want to check the firing order and firing timing on that VW stuff before you consider it. If they are not even fire engines, you can't use this setup on an I6.

justin517 · Post by **justin517** » Apr 18, 2011 3:01 PM

a 12v VR6 uses an inline 6 firing order of 1, 5, 3, 6, 2, 4... same as an M30...

I'm really looking forward to seeing this...

Post by **mooseheadm5** » Apr 18, 2011 3:26 PM

The more important issue was even or odd firing, but it looks like the VR6 motor is even firing.

Scottinva · Post by **Scottinva** » Apr 18, 2011 10:01 PM

He does some good fabrication work.

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » Apr 19, 2011 12:13 AM

mooseheadm5 wrote:You may want to check the firing order and firing timing on that VW stuff before you consider it. If they are not even fire engines, you can't use this setup on an I6.

The car is currently running strong with the VR6 ecu and wiring

Good & Tight · Post by **Good & Tight** » Apr 26, 2011 6:24 AM

When are you putting the turbo on?

Post by **Nebraska_e28** » Apr 26, 2011 8:39 AM

What are you using for your AFR gauge? Looks custom & very compact.

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If you go wasted spark, you might be interested in a dizzy block off plate HERE.
shameless plug / threadjack

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » Apr 27, 2011 12:39 AM

Good & Tight wrote:When are you putting the turbo on?

As you know its not an easy fit with a M30 in an e30 with a bunch of other parts . Ive been waiting for parts and playing with how i want the intercooler . Also I'm waiting on getting my valve cover back from getting a -10 fitting welded on for the crank case setup. Besides that I'm going to try to recalibrate the ecu this week for the new injectors and try to install the turbo this weekend.

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » Apr 27, 2011 12:40 AM

Nebraska_e28 wrote:What are you using for your AFR gauge? Looks custom & very compact.

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If you go wasted spark, you might be interested in a dizzy block off plate HERE.
shameless plug / threadjack

It was one of the first widebands around. PLX M-300 . IIFC.

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » Apr 27, 2011 1:03 AM

Here's a couple of updated pictures

I moved the new electronic throttle body to the drivers side to help with IC piping.

Drilled and tapped block for new knock sensors

Blocked off old throttle body location

Cleaner engine bay

Ive cleaned up the wiring some more but dont have any pictures of it.

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Apr 27, 2011 7:53 AM

240sxpooter wrote:Drilled and tapped block for new knock sensors

You will find that the M30 is so noisy that the sensors are useless.

240sxpooter wrote:Ive cleaned up the wiring some more but dont have any pictures of it.

Get a E34 engine wire harness cover/box, it will hide all of those wires.

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » Apr 30, 2011 8:09 PM

So i got out my saw, hammer, torch...etc so i could fit this manifold on and to my surprise i needed not a one. The manifold fit perfectly!

Now the intercooler on the other side took some work!

I took the valance off to get painted and the intercooler pipes are off getting bead rolled. I should have the car back in the next day or two from getting the exhaust done and then ill be ready to hit the road!

Good & Tight · Post by **Good & Tight** » Apr 30, 2011 9:40 PM

Looking good..

How are you planning on tying in the wastegate?

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » May 01, 2011 9:06 PM

Good & Tight wrote:Looking good.. How are you planning on tying in the wastegate?

About like this!!!! Sorry for the poor angle ill get some better pictures soon.

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Good & Tight · Post by **Good & Tight** » May 01, 2011 9:21 PM

That really fits in there perfectly, nice job on the DP

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » May 02, 2011 10:29 PM

There's a better angle for yeah

George · Post by **George** » May 02, 2011 11:28 PM

Is that a 2.5" turbine discharge?

240sxpooter · Post by **240sxpooter** » May 03, 2011 9:21 AM

George wrote:Is that a 2.5" turbine discharge?

Yes it is.

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